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April 23, 2009

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Jordan

John, this is a good summary.

Real estate does seem to decouple the supply-demand equation from prices somewhat regularly. I would venture to suggest that this is because of the emotional aspect of house-hunting -- perceptions of value, bidding wars, neighbourhoods that go in and out of style, as well as the general economic climate.

Patrice

Today seems to be just like jan 89.

A little spike up and then it's down from here.

Except this time people are losing jobs, the economy is looking horrible, the interest rate have nowhere to go but up, the government have just spent more money than ever before in our history, and the US real estate have crashed real hard.
It seem that we are against the wall, there is nothing else we can do, we cannot fight anymore.

seems to me that "Had home buyers in 1989 been mindful of this principle and had they invested some time to look at a few numbers, they would have seen the crash coming up to a year before prices started to fall."
If home buyers today were mindful, they would look at these numbers and worry the real estate is on a shaky ground and there is a very good chance it might crash, very very hard.

Unless somehow, magically, our incredible dept disappear, and the economy magically bounce and ...

Am I wrong? Can you please reply to this Jon if you have the time?

Thank you!

lipstickonapig

Bravo John! I've been waiting for this analysis!

One very important observation that I would apreciate you addressing. What occured in the 89-90 period is what I would have expected: first, buyers stop buying, supply skyrockets and the sales to inventory ratio plummets, this is followed by a subsequent decline in prices. As you state, basic economics. The sequence is important here - supply increases first followed by a decline in prices. Also, the sales to inventory ratio bottoms well before the house price decline bottoms - as we would expect and as is very clear in the 89 - 90 period(it appears that there is about a year gap between the two events).

So this leads me to today's market - if the current sales to inventory ratio has bottomed as the graph seems to indicate, house prices may not bottom for another year if history serves as a guide (and since history seems to have followed basic economics principals, this would appear to be a reasonable assumption).

My point is this, even if the sales to inventory ratio has bottomed (which may not be the case!) price declines may still have a long way to go. Sales to invetory raio bottoming at the exact same time as house price decline bottoming (as the recent period of the chart shows) does not make sense, does not follow history, and does not follow basic economic principals.

John - your thoughts?

toronto renter

Actually, if you look at the point at which prices bottomed (ie. change in price returned to 0% from negative territory), it was not until around spring 1994 that prices truly reached bottom.

So if the sales to inventory ratio bottomed out around spring 1990 and prices didn't hit bottom until spring 1994, that is a 4-year lag between the low-point in demand and the low-point in prices. History would indicate that we won't hit a bottom in prices until fall 2012!

While I'm not entirely confident that it will take a full 4 years for prices to bottom, I am fairly confident that we haven't reached that point after just 6 months - so no need to rush out and buy a home now (despite what the TREB reports tell you). Remember, purchasing a house during a period of less severe price declines still yields a negative return!

John Pasalis

Patrice,

I don't agree with your analysis of Toronto's real estate market, but I don't really have the time to answer in a comment. I'll try to write a more detailed post.

lipstickonapig,
If you triple the inventory of any product, it doesn't take 1 year for prices to adjust. Prices adjust immediately. The reason it took 1 year for real estate prices to adjust in 89 is because the markets were not rational, it was a bubble. Rational markets adjust to the imbalance immediately.

CinToronto

John, can you cite some evidence for this assertion? It seems as though you are arguing from a perfect market scenario. I have never seen a housing market described in those terms. This article from Case has the following quote, "It is clear that downwardly sticky house prices accompany almost every major regional slow down in the housing market." See "How Housing Booms Unwind: Income Effects, Wealth Effects, and Sticky Prices," at http://tinyurl.com/d9dbmn

CinToronto

Not to be difficult, but I suspect you will simply reply with your oft-asserted claim that we didn't have a bubble/boom. Hence I will draw your attention to another line from this article:
"Property markets have always been cyclical, and many economists have explored the causes and consequences of cyclicality in housing and commercial real estate."

John Pasalis

CinToronto,

Thanks for the link.Haven't had a chance to read the paper yet but I am looking forward to it.

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